Sasha Laferte: Hi everyone! Welcome to today's webinar in Reducing Liability through Lab Decommissioning. My name is Sasha and I'll be your moderator for today. Before we get started I just wanted to give you a brief overview what's today's webinar is going to entail as well as a short introduction for our speaker today.
Today's webinar will start with a slide show presentation by our in-house expert Craig Sasse. He'll be discussing a variety of topics with you, which are related to liability reduction through lab decommissioning. The webinar will teach you what factors to look out for when considering your liability as it applies to decommissioning as well as best practices and steps you'll need to take to assure that your organization is protected.
At the end of the presentation there will be an open Q&A. You can ask questions by typing them into your chat pane on the right where it says, "Questions." All unanswered questions will be answered and sent out in an e-mail after the presentation. In addition to the questions, all attendees will receive a recording of the presentation and a copy of the documents used.
Today's speaker, Craig Sasse, has been employed at Triumvirate for over six years and has worked as an Environmental Consultant for 18 years. He currently specializes in performing environmental consulting and engineering services to assess, manage and mitigate environmental liabilities. Sasse has led a number of decommissioning projects here at Triumvirate. With that, let me turn it over to you Craig.
Craig Sasse: Thank you Sasha. Good morning everybody and thank you for joining us. What we hope to provide you is some information on thoughtful decommissioning and the management of issues and liabilities associated with decommissioning and changes in lab space. This presentation isn't intended to be sufficient for every lab space but it tends to discuss many common issues and helps provide a starting point for making sure everything goes smoothly in your managing of many of the issues that are customarily encountered in these decommissioning.
We'd like to start first with a quick poll, a question, to determine how many of you have plans for upcoming laboratory move, closure or renovation. Obviously this is intended to assist those people and see how many have plans for that. We'll take a few moments to get some responses. I'm hoping that the presentation is able to provide you a good starting point for considering many of those issues that you will see at your particular space.
Sasha: Okay Craig, you're all set.
Craig: Okay, we got our poll results. It looks like there are several of you have some coming up and looking forward I'd like to provide you some of the information that we'll look in for you to learn and take away and begin the planning process for changes in your lab. You're getting questions and information that are customary to guide a good decommissioning. We'll try and answer the question how clean is cleans that in many times very amorphous. What other people, organizations and businesses are conducting and managing on their expectations for cleaning facilities and spaces.
This information is helpful in managing relocations, internal moves either by researchers and changes in processes within your labs, renovations of lab spaces, updates in equipment modifications, closures of lab space, discussion on owned versus non-owned or leased spaces, and different drivers associated with occupancy and use of those areas. Where do we start? Generally, the first is scheduling logistics and when to start delving into some of those issues commonly encountered once you start expanding on issues specific to your facility. Those will come pretty quickly.
It usually starts with some measure of due diligence, understanding what's in your facility, starting to clear out unused old chemicals and equipment, removing those materials that don't need to be moved again or you're not looking to manage further, start thinking about stopping research and the impacts for researchers there and thinking about who else is going to be involved like movers, riggers or other vendors who are necessary to execute the decommissioning.
There's typically an assessment and sometimes mediation of contamination. There's assuring and assessing for any remaining issues. It concerns analyzing closure of your facility and making sure that there's no remaining issue. Many times, there are other issues not particular to the lab space but may have other obligations.
Sometimes, there's restoration provision and other obligations that are not directly related but may have an impact. Then, the conclusion is a decommissioning report. This is generally the work flow that we see throughout these processes.
In the initial stages, we'll look and try to identify all the stakeholders and make sure that those people are engaged early on. Internally, you may want to talk to lead researchers with facilities group like finance and EHNS. Look at your organization and see who needs to be engaged and start to get their input on the process.
Externally, typically it's the landlord or property manager that may need to be engaged.
It's important to understand your relationship with the organization and with the landlord. A good relationship could make things pretty easy. It's somewhat contentious. It could be a lot of back and forth on details and just having some floor knowledge can help you manage those issues.
Again, the obligations and the lease agreement are the backstops for many of these decommissioning. Many times, internally, there are obligations within the organization for some level of due diligence, assessment, and documentation of cleaning conditions and making sure you are achieving all those obligations. Obviously you'll have to have your financing in order and start to look at some of the costs. You have to start thinking about vendors and engaging scoping activities and pulling together some of those cost. Start gathering information regarding your particular lab like chemical inventories, equipment inventories, new facilities and if you're moving where are thing going to land. Those are areas that always wind up expanding quite a bit throughout the process.
You need to start thinking about coordinating the end of research and activities in your lab space. Where is the equipment going to reside? What needs to be calibrated, drained and managed by particular vendors? Some of your equipment may be leased and they may have to go back. There's research material storage needs. There's a lot of institutional knowledge that may need to be within cold storage. You don't want to wind up not having a place for those materials to land. Many times, transportation needs to be addressed in managing those materials.
You need to think about overall logistics. How are things going to flow? Do you have a home for everything? Are the vendors readily available? Where do you see issues that can help you focus on where you need help? Ultimately, you need to know the vacancy of the space. What's you end date? When is the last day you'll have? With those in mind, it helps with the schedule development.
You need to start thinking about your licensing. What licenses and permits are you obligated to manage? You need to either terminate, modify and many times there's lee times. For instance, radioactive materials have quite a bit of a lee time, which is 45 days. Many times it's even more than that to have your data available for the regulators to review.
Many times, there are issues with these obligations in institutional risks and management. There are many hurdles out there. These obligations are typically vague. Sometimes they can be brutal as broom-cleaned. Other times it can be more specific but still amorphous with certification by certified industrial hygienist. It doesn't really define what certification has to be stated.
There's no set regulatory agency or strong guidance from any agency on how these areas need to be left or how to document and how clean is clean. Once you leave a space, there could be some uncertainty if it's clean. That could lead to concern obviously claims by landlords or property managers about vacating a space whether it's clean or not clean. It could also lead to a costly and drawn out discussions and decontamination that may not be necessary.
Many times, there's unexpected cost if you're not attentive on waste that was anticipated either by discovery of old chemicals that were discarded away by a researcher or contamination that was unexpected. Sometimes it's as simple as debris management of materials that aren't hazardous or aren't generated as part of the decontamination procedure but were left behind. These are just unwanted and sometimes new articles that were disposable in nature. No one wanted to move it and now it's in the way and has to be removed.
The chemicals that may remain on surfaces always present the most problematic issue. You have the infrastructure of the building, which present many problems and difficulties with appropriate assessment, and decontamination when necessary that leads to concerns with contractors or workers being exposed to chemicals in those lab spaces. There's obviously some liabilities associated with that and you want to avoid that.
When you're thinking about your space, is there a history of poor housekeeping, unknown or poorly documented previous work? Are there previous tenants that conducted activities there, which may be still lingering? Those issues always present the potential to be discovered during your closure activities.
What's out there to help the decommissioning is a standard. It's a guidance document but it's not from any regulatory agency. It's common in the industry and has been embraced to provide some framework for the process of performing laboratory decommissioning.
The benefits are the following. It's scalable. It can be applied to one room or can be applied to biologic materials management all the way through radioactive material management. It can be implemented throughout the entire process from planning through the decontamination reporting and decommissioning reporting. It presents some clear methods for documentation and verifying by establishing and characterizing an acceptable level of risk and making sure that it's documented and stated that level of risk has been achieved.
The decommissioning process described as involving due diligence, which is an element of decommissioning, then documentation. The initial phase is the due diligence. You're looking for knowledgeable people for interviews and sometimes institutional knowledge that may not be on paper and readily available. You're starting to gather information about your permits, licenses, materials, inventories, plans for your facility and diagrams. You're gathering information that will be able to guide the appropriate assessment and decommissioning of the space.
During the more active portion where you have equipment being removed and materials being managed appropriately in assessment and decommissioning, you want to define areas that require assessment where chemicals were used. It's generally not necessary to go into office personnel areas or common areas. This is restricting or clearly delineating spaces that require assessment.
The starting point are establishing what equipment requires decontamination, what equipment is going to be removed from the space, noting what surfaces need to be decontaminated, understanding your infrastructure and understanding how fluids are managed like your waste water system, treatment equipment or your local exhaust equipment. And, understanding what means and methods are going to be utilized to establish clean conditions. Throughout that process there's always a concern about aesthetics. If something looks dirty or damaged, it's going to lead to questions. There's always a business decision involved throughout this process to understand when it makes more sense to decontaminate, remediate a problem, pull up floor tiles that are damaged or other decisions along those lines that are more cost-effective.
The conclusion of the assessment in decontamination is your documentation or developing your assessment data. You have clearly defined means and methods for assessments and you're looking for the chemicals or hazards that may have been present during the operation of the facility. Obviously it's not necessary to look for things that are not used on the site. Its site specific and you want to be able to clearly tell the story and demonstrate that. There are also some clear statements about acceptable level of risk and certification by a qualified individual.
Moving forward, we have to ask the question, "What is in your lab?" As part of that due diligence, we look for areas where information right might reside. This starts with initial walk troughs, inspections and discussions, interviews with researchers or facility managers. Then, there's reviewing your permits and licenses that also can guide on what work is going to be required. For instance, you may have Bio-Safety Level 1 and Bio-Safety Level 2 Labs that may have specific decommissioning requirements versus chemical-used areas or within the lab localized areas of radioactive material used. All of them have different obligations and requirements.
There's pulling together you chemical inventory and having that available. You have to make sure that you'll have knowledgeable people reviewing that. You should be looking for particular chemicals that are hazardous, unique or unusual, very persistent or present the most concerns as far as decommissioning your facility. Landlord and attendant records, whether their waste manifests from former activities, incident reports, bill reports and anything that is internal to the organization should provide some assistance for decommissions. Of course there's waste management. It's documenting where your waste is held and making sure those areas are adequately characterized.
Within your space, you'll have areas and surfaces that require attention. these are generally desktops, drawer cabinets, shelves and other horizontal surfaces throughout your space, which would require some level of knowledge of what residuals may reside there as part of the decommissioning. The same thing, you'll have floors and walls. How high up on the wall requires decontamination? That can vary depending upon the processes and materials used in particular spaces. Chemical storage areas are obviously areas of potential high risk, particularly waste storage areas. Incidences associated with spills, historic incidences of fires or something unusual in areas where particular attention may be required to assessed and determine that there's no residual, are always potentially lurking.
Cold rooms, animal care areas, many times these animal facilities by variance, have particular concerns with air handling and ventilation. Sometimes they require detailed inspection and understanding local exhausting, HVAC systems or sometimes decontamination by gassing. Radioactive material and handling in these areas, again, there's quite a bit of lee time or process, which requires high level of expertise to assess and certify if those areas are clean to process the licensing. Bio-safety labs have particular concern in the bio-chemicals used in those areas. Many times your facility personnel are able to provide a lot of assistance with the procedure in management of those materials in those areas and on surfaces on those areas. You need to be able to provide work procedure they utilized to decontaminate those areas as part of their routine operations.
Of concern is waste handling as far as plumbing. In waste water systems, there's always that concern that something is in the P-trap or resides in piping. You need to be able to definitively state that it has been assessed appropriately and found to be clean and sufficiently decontaminated. It's similar to fume hoods and duct work, which conducts the air out of that area; you need to understand those systems to be able to adequately characterize it. There are many pieces of laboratory equipment, primarily BSCs or something that involves particular management, whether they're being removed from the space or they're going to remain behind.
There are things to consider preparing yourself in the event of remediation and how is that going to affect your schedule? What's the likelihood of remediation being necessary? You have to start thinking about your organization or your past history in that space. Did you have researchers that routinely had issues or spills? Did you have concerns with how your processes were conducted? Were there predecessors that had a lot of data gaps?
Many times these particular materials that have special concerns are mercury, various metals, azides, radioactive materials, HF, perchlorates, high and low pH, and potent compounds. All of these present particular hazards and concerns. Ethidium bromide is another material that has particular assessment and decontamination procedure to identify where residuals may be deposited.
You have to make sure if decontamination is necessary and that procedures are clear and appropriate for those materials. Are you dealing with an organization or a vendor that's going to wash it down to call it clean or is there more to it? Many times you want to ask for an SOP for managing. For instance, let's say mercury spill or contamination, if that's encountered. You want to make sure that what they're doing is appropriate. Many times there's discovery of hidden chemicals. People or researchers, often times, stored it away just for a rainy day and feel that they need to be able to manage these things independently. It's dropped out of the inventories that leads to issues with managing those materials and additional lab packs and cost associated with disposal.
You want to have good security measures in place as your decommissioning the areas. You don't want people and subcontractors moving through in and out of spaces when decommissioning work occurs. Or at the conclusion of work, they're entering the space and creating issues or aesthetically dirty surfaces that could create issues like things are not looking as clean as they should be. It could be as simple as someone removing a shelf above a lab bench, creating dust or creating and painting a hole. Creating dust or a pile of white material, which is innocuous, can quickly become an issue when seen through the eyes of another consultant or another person making an inspection on behalf of the landlord.
You have to clearly mark rooms or equipment that haven't been decontaminated so people will know that they shouldn't be storing in clean areas or dumping chemicals or materials down those drains. Equipment can be tagged and those tags sometimes have sign offs by EHNS people and have directions on where they're going to be moved to and appropriate handling procedure.
Lab ventilation, either local exhaust or fume hoods, also present unique challenges to decontamination. It could be as simple as a wash down that is required internally or it may involve the removal of contaminated duct work that doesn't involve a short length. Is it up to flow valves or is it going to entail the entire system up to the roof. BSCs, these require certification and cleaned whether they're being removed from the property or left behind. That certification should be made available on those units and posted.
Sink traps and waste water systems, these are the end of your process. You want to be able to look at the contents of those P-traps on sinks when plausible or remove that concern all together by cutting and removing the P-traps and disposing them appropriately. Waste water systems need to be managed obviously at the end of your decommissioning activities. This is one of the lasts steps to be dealt with. We want to be able to discharge waste water up to the end so your decommissioning isn't going to be generating large volumes of waste that require management.
Finally, your decontamination waste pick up, this material needs to be managed appropriately. You don't want to be in the position where the more you terminate your hazard waste manifest tracking number and generating waste from a site inappropriately or conversely understanding the volume and mass of the material that's being generated as part of this process. You have some obligations, under your generator status to be monitoring carefully those volumes.
In conclusion, you have an assessment reporting obligation. This assessment is typically a visual inspection by someone knowledgeable and trained including photographic documentation. You want to have before and after pictures showing conditions pre and post. You want to be looking at areas of damage, wear and tear, scratches, sculpts, dents or damaged materials and confirming that they had been decontaminated but will remain behind as damaged materials. Sometimes, repair to those materials are ultimately the easiest way to avoid discussions with landlords or property managers in moving through that termination of lease obligation requirement.
You want to have a clear statement on your protocols for assessing and demonstrating clean conditions. It would include all appropriate documents associated with that, tables of data and chains of custody. Whatever has been conducted to a site, you want to able to clearly state and demonstrate what was done and where that work was done. Essentially you should be able to have that information independently reproduced if necessary. All your waste disposal documents should show appropriate management of materials and that there is nothing that has gone off site or remains on site that was not managed appropriately.
Throughout the document, you have a continuous process where you're reviewing what was anticipated. You have your plan requirements and looking at deviations from the anticipated scope and looking at what ensures quality control parameters. You have to make sure that date being generated is appropriate and sufficient. Ultimately, the conclusion of the document is a statement or certification of the acceptable level of risk and that information has been signed off by a qualified individual that's from the ANSI standard. Typically that qualified individual is a certified industrial hygienist. Their involvement in the initial due diligence phase, throughout the remediation and assessment activities, is important to make sure you're able to meet that lease obligation at the conclusion of your work.
Again, thoughtful and mindful decommissioning can manage this potential liabilities and lead to easier cost-effective decommissioning and management of those spaces. Start with the end in mind, understanding that throughout the process things are likely to arise and will require management. These can be chemicals that are discovered or contamination that's been discovered and requires remediation. You don't want to be filing up your schedule to the last day of your occupancy and discovering issues at the last minute. Sometimes the people that are required to remediate those issues or deal with those issues may not be available and could lead to a lot of problems and a lot of cost and headaches.
Upfront defining those lease and decommissioning obligations helps to provide the jumping off point for your decommissioning. It can be as variables from room swept. That's how it's going to be returned. Some organizations that don't have a lot of obligations or good awareness of health and safety and liability, may opt with that scenario. It's a blend of certified industrial hygienist and best management practices in the industry.
Looking at your license and equipment management, are good jumping off points for determining what subcontractors are necessary, what materials and equipment need to be managed. It starts that process of aligning your equipment management, material management and space management with your obligations of removing that from the space and making sure you have clean areas.
We are now open to any question that anybody may have regarding decommissioning.
Sasha: Alright! That's great! Like I said before if you have a question, just type it into your question's pane and I'd be happy to have them answered. The first question coming in is from someone who wants to know how long a decommissioning would take.
Craig: It can vary. For a one room area, it could be a matter of several days to likely no more than a week or a week and a half. On a multi-building facility, it may take several months. Generally you'd like to start planning at least, not less than 45 to 90 days prior. That's putting things in a bit of a crunch to make sure people or vendors are available to provide quotes and execute the work in a timely fashion and give yourself some breathing room to manage the logistics. Many times these processes start a year prior to moves or decommissioning of space.
Sasha: That's great! Thanks. Someone is asking about the estimated average cost. That information will be sent privately, correct?
Craig: The costs are generally site specific. Are you dealing with 1000 feet or 10,000 feet? What are the materials being used? Do you have materials that require disposal as part of it? Are there specific means and methods required for decontamination? What are your lease obligations? Is it essentially a brief letter or do you require a decommissioning plan to be reviewed prior? Do you require a decommissioning report at the conclusion?
Sasha: That's great. Thank you. Next question, someone wants to know if there's a checklist that may help us through the process? We do have a checklist on lab decontamination but not on lab decommissioning. If that would be helpful, I can definitely send it out to everybody at the end of the webinar. The next question is this. What is needed to decontaminate a lab to be changed to a food lab?
Craig: It depends upon the work that has been conducted there before. The future intended use is always a concern. For instance if you had large quantities of metals being managed as pigments, dyes or as part of research and your changing that use for food production or food research, you'll have quite a bit of concern about making sure your surfaces and systems are adequately clean. A scenario in that sense would likely involve some laboratory analytical of wipe samples from surfaces for particular targeted contaminants of concern. If you had a very astringent procedure prior where you're handling materials in a clean fashion, you may not have such a concern with the shift to food management.
The level of effort could vary between the previous use and the intended use. Do you know if your lab space is continued to be used as lab space or is it going to be converted into child care or health care where you would have pretty particular sensitive population occupying that space. It may raise a concern. If you know it's going to be demolished and rise as part of new construction activities, the level of effort may not be as great.
Sasha: Okay, thank you. The next question is this. What is the best lease language to have for decommissioning? Is there correct requirement to have the decommissioning certified by a practicing industrial hygienist? What other language do you recommend?
Craig: That lease language has changed dramatically over the past three to five years. In many times, old leases have unsophisticated language. The current leases are typically looking at a performance standard associated with the anti-standard. It presents a process but it doesn't necessarily indicate the actual number that needs to be achieved for any particular material. A certification from a certified industrial hygienist who is knowledgeable and active is important for these documents.
I'm not an attorney but I have looked at quite a few of lease obligations and saw performance standards that are not overly specific but talks about performance standards and certification by professionals are important. You don't want to have a lease that's boxing you in too much and limiting the activities or being too prescriptive.
Sasha: Okay. Next question says, "What cleaning methods do you use to wipe down a chemistry lab, a biology lab or mixed use lab space?"
Craig: Generally we're using industrial detergents for chemical decontamination, either DZ7 or just industrial degreasers. It depends upon the materials used and it's always identified specifically to materials used. Are you using an appropriate disinfectant for biological used areas, which is going to be sufficient to essentially kill the biologics that were may be present. It varies.
You would want to make sure and verify that the cleaning method is appropriate for each area where it's going to be used. In many times, there's metal decontamination also that would require the use of specific process or it could involve mercury decontamination or other esoteric materials that have specific procedures that are required. That's where you have to really engage with more specific scenario and with someone who is knowledgeable on those issues.
Sasha: Okay. The next question is about Triumvirate services. They want to know if clients need to employ their own CIH or does Triumvirate provide CIH service for decommissioning?
Craig: At Triumvirate, we do have a Certified Industrial Hygienist. He carries a certification and has an obligation to maintain that license. We do provide that service here at Triumvirate. We also perform decontamination as part of larger decommissioning projects where other CIH or other organizations are engaged to verify and assess conditions.
Sasha: Okay. I'm not quite sure about this next question. When do you suggest decontaminating an area used for EtBr? Is that right?
Craig: Yes. We've encountered that residual ethidium bromide. What we have is this. I’m trying to recall the specifics, which we utilized. If it's not extensive and it's light, depending upon the surface, how porous it is. Even a simple wash can be sufficient as long you don't have a lot of permeation and penetration into the substrate.
We have had extensive areas where we have encountered that contamination. I don't recall offhand but if you can provide your e-mail, we can get you that particular cleaner that we utilized. That will be one of those areas where you want to be able to define what those chemicals and what the particular concerns are at your facility to be able to make sure that you're utilizing appropriate means and methods.
Sasha: Okay. We have two more questions in the queue and we have a little bit more time so if anybody else has questions feel free to type it in. We'll definitely have time to answer it. If we don't, i will send out an e-mail with the answer after the presentations. Let's keep those questions coming. The next question is this. To make a lab inactive is there any documentation needed?
Craig: To my knowledge, there's no particular document that's required. For your facility and for allowing unrestricted use in that space, it's probably a good idea to understand and document what conditions are. For instance if you're closing it, locking the doors and you're not allowing people into that space, it could sit dormant. If it's going to be utilized for office space or contractors and workers are going to enter that space to perform other activities, it’s probably a good idea to understand what the conditions are in that laboratory space. If it's going to be reused for similar lab space, it's essentially a transition. What's the next intended use of the lab? I guess this is one of the questions that need to be answered to guide you.
Sasha: We have one last question unless we have other people. Okay, we just got another one. Someone wants to know when providing a space closure and report; can you give examples of people who can be considered as qualified individuals?
Craig: Generally it's the Certified Industrial Hygienist. Sometimes it can be a professional engineer or other times it may be someone who has a particular expertise for instance an RSO, dealing with radioactive material management or other professionals specific to processes that are being conducted. Other times, it may be a particular individual who has knowledge about a potent compound or it may be an internal resource from a particular researcher who has knowledge for a particular piece of equipment or space. It varies but generally the backstop is a Certified Industrial Hygienist. Many times that CIH will rely upon other professionals to provide guidance for particular materials.
Sasha: Alright! Thank you. Next question is this. What is needed to document a lab decommissioning after lab is closed due to acts of nature, for example, hurricanes?
Craig: If chemicals have been spilled to the environment through a catastrophic event, there could be release reporting to regulatory agencies that may be required. In flooding for instance, if you have chemicals that were washed out of the facility or the facility is completely flattened, it depends on how much material may have been stored? What was being stored?
Generally the driver would be what kind of liability may have been triggered. It may be either an analysis to a phase one property transfer to look at the environment and the surrounding area. If it was, for instance, a flooding event, you may need to establish what contaminate residuals may have been present on interior surfaces and assess for those particular materials on surfaces. It would be, let's say at a minimum, we'd want to understand the contaminant, assess for them and document their absence on surfaces.
Sasha: Okay. Next question and I think it's the last question unless anybody else has one. Somebody wants to know how do you clean a fume hood?
Craig: In a fume hood, primarily you are looking at what materials were handled within it. Hopefully, there's a reasonable understanding of what was being conducted. What the research was and the materials being handled in the fume hood. For instance if you have just organic solvents, the expectation would be that there isn't high probability that you'll have contaminants present. If you're managing metal powders, chromium pigments, cadmium or metals of that nature, you may be conducting wiped samples and laboratory analysis looking for those particular materials. You need to understand if residuals are present.
In our experience, we've seen generally pH high or low and presence of oxidizers, which are generally limited to the throat nearest to the top of the fume hood essentially. When it is detected in that area, it is generally the worst case area. When you assessed further downstream of the fume hood, usually after elbows or the phoenix valve, the contamination quickly diminishes.
We have had systems were it was throughout the duct work. The contamination was throughout the duct work and into the fan housing and also resulted in contamination of HVAC systems. Again it's specific to your organization and facility and hopefully you have well-designed and thoughtful engineering controls that can manage these materials appropriately. Unfortunately, it depends on what was being conducted in that particular fume hood.
Sasha: Okay. Awesome! I think that's it for questions. I think we're going to conclude our webinar right now. Thank you for asking your questions. We will send you an e-mail with a copy of the presentation along with the recording later today. The e-mail will also have a link to a survey asking you to rate this webinar. If you could fill it out, that would be very helpful so we could work to improve future webinars.
We have several upcoming webinars including one on best Preventive Maintenance Practices and one on Lab Moves. You can find these seminars on our event's page, which is linked to the slide you guys can see right now. It's www.triumvirate.com/training/events. We'll be sending out a gift to all the attendees as well to help you guys started with your lab decommissioning project. You can expect that.
Thank you for attending. We'll send that checklist out as well to everybody. Everyone seems to be pretty interested in that. Thanks again for attending and I hope to see you again next time. Bye guys!